Oklahoma's state militia talk is treason, revolution

I figured it would get this bad at some point. Oklahoma legislative officials and tea party activists have won the race among right-wing extremists nationwide to unveil an actually treasonous, revolutionary program to fight the federal government.

The Associated Press reported today that tea party leaders and some Oklahoma lawmakers want to create a volunteer state militia to defend against federal initiatives, or block those initiatives.

The last time some militia members acted out in Oklahoma, they blew up a federal building, killing dozens of people, including little kids in a daycare center. The tea party people yapping about forming a state militia insist their effort is different because they are clothing it in a states’ rights veneer.

I’m sorry, but that is not true. It’s laughably wrong. It’s baldly treasonous. It’s action toward revolution. If a state takes up arms against the federal government, its practitioners are committing treason. It is a revolutionary move that would end in long prison terms, or hangings, for the leaders and probably bloodshed on both sides.

Please, Oklahoma, slap down your lunatics before someone gets hurt.

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48 Responses to Oklahoma's state militia talk is treason, revolution

  1. Eat S--- says:

    F— you Mark. Treason’s definition is a “progressive”.

    See you on the battlefield.

    (Edited by admin to remove vulgarities)

  2. midwinter says:

    That seems to be a pretty clear violation of Article 3, section 3 of the Constitution.

  3. Al says:

    Commenter no. 1: Evidence in the flesh of miserable ignorance of actual history about actual nations and their actual political systems. Thanks for that, Glenn Beck.

  4. We can hardly be surprised that a group named after some people who dressed up as Native Americans and vandalized some trade ships in Boston Harbor, would be plotting something against the government.

    What would today’s tea party call a group who dressed in disguise and went onto ships and dumped oh I dunno… mink pelts overboard? Let’s ask Ms. Tea Party Palin herself what she thinks of the activists who interfere with the wolf hunt in Alaska, what does she call them? I remember now. Terrorists.

    oh the irony.

  5. The Tea Party need to separate themselves from the republican party if they want to be taken serious as a real third party and not the same old republican party in disguise.

  6. Willbike says:

    I don’t think their would be much bloodshed on the federal side. A state militia taking on the military resources of the United States is pretty laughable, but the tea people aren’t real deep thinkers.

  7. Red Dog says:

    Re: the lunatic fringe

    “You cannot reason someone out of something he has not been reasoned into.”
    - Jonathan Swift

  8. David McColley says:


    Dear Mr. E. S—,

    Having spent 12 years in the Infantry of the United States Army, seeing you on the battlefield against our military would be a very short movie.

  9. Rocky Road says:

    Mark, you are so out of touch.., the militia in Oklahoma had nothing to do with the bombing of the Federal building.Fact… Tim McVey was not a member of any militia group, he had been cast out of 2 militia groups because he was way to radical. In fact, the Oklahoma militia notified the FBI one week before the bombing , that there was going to be retaliation by someone for the raid by the ATF in Waco Texas. The Oklahoma militia did not know by who or when but did suspect April 19th as it was the date the ATF violated the sovergnty of the sheriff in Waco..

  10. Mark Shenefelt says:

    McVeigh and his buddies were militia types, and I suspect they’d be among the first to sign up for a state militia being formed to fight the feds. But McVeigh can’t sign up for anything now because he was executed for mass murder.

    And, Rocky, armed insurrection of any kind is by definition radical. That’s exactly what the Oklahoma people are advocating. Go ahead, keep rationalizing.

    Mother Jones magazine has a fascinating piece this month about the militia movement: http://motherjones.com/politics/2010/03/oath-keepers

  11. Michael Trujillo says:

    Do we really need Oklahoma?

    It is the 27th most agriculturally productive state.
    In 2007, its per capita GPD ranked 41st among the states.
    Nearly 1/6th of the jobs there are in the government sector.
    96% of its energy is generated using non-renewable resources.
    They don’t have an NFL team.
    They don’t have a MBL team.

    Let them secede.

  12. Derek S. says:

    These people are crazy! The only reasonable and sane method of changing things is to VOTE!!!! The violent lutatic fringe (both sides) are only making real, sensible American patriots look bad.

  13. Michael Trujillo says:

    I meant MLB team.

  14. laytonian says:

    Michael Trujillo — maybe we SHOULD let Oklahoma and Texas secede.

    FIRST, we remove all US government facilities from their state. That means all military bases, NASA and anything else funded by the government.

    SECOND, because the people of Texas and Oklahoma are so worried about illegal aliens, we should wall those states off. Protect them from US (actually, protect US from THEM!).

    Let those two states live on their own. I don’t see how Oklahoma would do it. Texas, possibly.

    Let’s see them both defend themselves, and take care of themselves, without the rest of us helping.

    Or is this just empty talk for their uneducated followers?

    (Someone above, claiming to be an expert on the history of militia, can’t even spell Timothy McVeigh’s name correctly.)

  15. Phil says:

    I think this shirt says it all:


  16. Michael Trujillo says:

    Texas has produced ZZ top, Dennis & Randy Quade, Forest Whitaker, Woody Harrelson, Jamie Foxx, Renee Zellweger, Tommy Lee Jones, Bill Paxton, Steve Martin, Dwight Eisenhower, LBJ, Angie Harmon, Powers Boothe, Thomas Hayden Church, Farrah Fawcett, Robert Rodriguez, Rip Torn, Carol Burnett, Dimebag Darrel Abbot, Gene Autrey, Buddy Holly, Waylon Jennings, Janice Joplin, Meat Loaf, Willie Nelson, Roy Orbison, Eric Dickerson, George Foreman, Nolan Ryan, Ross Perot, Tex Avery, Lance Armstrong, Scott Joplin, Larry McMurtry, Ann Miller, Irene Ryan, Boz Scaggs, Stevie Ray Vaughan, T-Bone Walker, and Blind Lemon Jefferson. I’m not ready to give up on Texas.

  17. Ben says:

    I don’t see what the big deal is.

    23 other states already have “state recognized” militias.

    Oklahoma is already bordered by two states that have “state militias” That being Texas and New Mexico. Indiana also has one. It’s called the ISM (Indiana sedentary militia.) AKA “Indiana Guard Reserve”. The southern section of the ISM is trained at Camp Atterbury. Right along with the Indiana national guard.

    All the other state militias seem to be relatively respectable groups of people.
    The proposed Oklahoma law just resembles what we (in Indiana) already have.
    Even NY has a naval and land militia.
    So what is the big deal?

  18. Mark Shenefelt says:

    Ben, your post fails to mention the glaring fact that the Oklahoma people are talking about using the militia to oppose or even fight the feds. That’s the big deal. If the other states with militias go the same direction, that would be a big deal also.

  19. Ben says:

    Any state militia can be used to oppose, or fight the feds. The state militia is answerable only to the governor. It the governor wants to fight the feds, and the state militia steps up to the call of duty, then any one of the existing 23 state militias could be used to oppose the government tomorrow. And there is nothing the president of the US could do about it, besides send in the troops and start shooting people.

  20. Midwinter says:

    My understanding is that if a state militia just sits around and cleans guns on the weekends, it’s exercising its rights under the first and second amendments. But if a state militia fires on a federal military, it is in violation of article 3 section 3 of the constitution.

  21. Ron Jones says:

    “Any people, anywhere, being inclined and having the power, have the right to rise up and shake off the existing government, and form a new one that suits them better.

    This is a most valuable, a most sacred right, a right which we hope and believe is to liberate the world. Nor is this right confined to cases in which the whole people of an existing government may choose to exercise it.

    Any portion of such people, that can, may revolutionize, and make their own of so much of the territory as they inhabit.

    More than this, a majority of any portion of such people may revolutionize, putting down a minority, intermingled with, or near about them, who may oppose their movements.” ~Abraham Lincoln 12 Jan 1848

  22. Ron Jones says:

    Speaking of Article 3, Section 3, the relevant portion reads as follows:

    “Section 3. Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort.”

    “shall consist only in levying war against THEM” [the states]. As should be painfully obvious to all but the most ill educated of mouth-breathing, parasitic “progressives,” The national(ist) government is most certainly NOT the states (the “them” referred to in article 3, section 3).

  23. James Taylor says:

    okla made of the Indian nations. better be careful we will scalp your happy asses. just like are football team does on a regular bases.

  24. James Taylor says:

    He obama or barry what ever his name is not my king. God is.

  25. phil says:

    Being from Oklahoma, i read these posts and realize why the country is falling apart. You guys need to get out and take a look around. Jobs, liberty, debt, take your pick, people are angry. Just like the main stream media, you misrepresent the facts. The militia is nothing more then for disasters that the current NGB cannot adequately provide due to continuous deployments. And yes, i have been deployed twice. You kids grow up or there will be hell to pay.

  26. Mikey says:

    Oklahoma is the nations #3 producer of natural gas, we have access to the Gulf of Mexico via the port of Catoosa. If TX were to leave the Union, we would probably go with them, and I highly doubt if we went that far we would “let” the Federal Govt. just up and leave with “all them fancy govt. toys”. Get real Oklahoma might not be able to go it alone, but OK and TX together could f*%king ruin the USA’s day. I deployed with the Guard to Afghanistan in ’06 and many of the folks that went with me are radically libertarian. Uh oh, lunatic combat vets?

    Of course all it would take for this not to eventually happen is for the ever so increasingly tyrannical fed gov to back the eff off and let us live our lives as we see fit.

    It is better to die on ones feet than to live on ones knees.

    I was born free and will die free, AT ALL COSTS

  27. Al says:

    Is this blog directly wired to some kind of angry-man search engine? All it would take for Texas and Oklahoma not to “ruin the USA’s day” is for the federal government to back off (and, presumably, take back the increased tax refunds it gave to the vast majority of those states’ residents this year)? That’s supposed to be the sane starting bargaining position, “we won’t militarily secede if you leave us alone?”

    Now I get it. You guys just never quit fighting the civil war. I mean, “war against the states” or whatever you and Stormfront like to call it these days.

  28. Michael Trujillo says:

    Um, Al. I’m with you in sentiment, but Oklahoma didn’t fight on the South’s side in the Civil War.

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  30. Al says:

    Indeed you’re right, Michael, thanks for making me clarify. The civil war part of my comment was prompted from my reading of Ron Jone’s (Tennessee-based) blog. And as far as I’m concerned, anyone who finds a way to rationalize secession, as Mikey does, is inviting the comparison.

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  32. milkandknives says:

    I think saying “The last time some militia members acted out in Oklahoma, they blew up a federal building” is somewhat insinuating that Oklahomans did that, which I don’t think is a fair thing to say.

    I live in Oklahoma and I’m absolutely appalled that some people think this is a bright idea, but I don’t think that the insane people that blew up that building should be tied in with this discussion.

  33. josh says:

    Good for them…btw treason and revolution are both used…but they are 2 clearly different things. And this would be a well regulated state militia which is okay by the constitution so its okay by me.

  34. Justin Neill Roane says:

    ‘Um, Al. I’m with you in sentiment, but Oklahoma didn’t fight on the South’s side in the Civil War.’


    What states are you all from? Jesus Christ. Do any of you read? Do any of you have a real, decent understanding of the Bill of Rights that has been completely decimated in our recent history? The Native Americans here fought with the South in the Civil War. It was a treasonous war fought by Lincoln to ‘preserve the Union’ a.k.a. begin construction of a Federal Government the size of which the forefathers could never have dreamed. He even warned about national bank’s (quote ready if you’re under-read) ability to take control of the government through controlling lending, money supply, and the marketplace of businesses that the banks lend to.

    If Oklahoma and Texas seceded, many, many people would die on both sides. Why? Because we’re chock full of angry veterans, Marines home from recent Iraqi and Afghan tours, gun owners who do MORE than clean their guns, and Native Americans who are looking for any excuse to hate the oppressive, imperial behavior of ANY country.

    I’m Irish and Cherokee. I’m pretty well read, own a freelance part time business, work at a nonprofit organization, and am an Eagle Scout and Boys Stater. I was raised to understand capitalism, our American economy, and had quite a bit of propaganda shoved RIGHT down my throat. I wanted to join the military until age 17, when I started reading my face off and realized that men with money, throughout history, have traditionally trampled on and controlled the citizens through many different methods of control. This was supposed to be the nation that changed that.


    Militias were – by design – organizations of men controlled by the STATES in order to stop a tyrannical takeover of the U.S. Fed! It’s simple history! It was a SAFETY FEATURE AGAINST TYRANNY.

    I feel so sorry for everyone who shows blind allegiance to any government. God I’m feeling quote-ish today.

    “To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that we are to stand by the president, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but morally treasonable to the American public.” – Theodore Roosevelt

    Texas and Oklahoma ftw. We got more guns, we got more trainers, and our military is halfway across the world. Give us six hours and all the air strips and anti air in this area, including every military base, WILL BE OURS.


  35. Justin Neill Roane says:

    Also – literally nearly any edible plant can be grown in Texas, and nearly the same thing in Oklahoma. We just get shoved into growing wheat, like Kansas, because most other states cannot. We could be very self sufficient if that 20% of taxes you pay to the fed went directly to the State :-)

    Think about it.

  36. OSM says:

    I have a few things to point out, and you can all yell at me if you like I dont care. As I know that in the end Justice and Liberty shall prevail.

    1. The United States of America was founded on treason, and insurrection.

    2. This one I shall take straight from the Declaration of Independence, “Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed….whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.” Now then I do recognize that the very next paragraph in the Declaration states that, “Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes.” My answer to this is quite simple indeed, we Oklahomans have simply had enough, we have put up with two idiot Presidents.

    3. It is not treason for a state to form a militia, even one who’s express purpose is to carry out war with the Federal Government. This is so, due to the fact that we the people of the Sovereign State of Oklahoma have a right to choose who we wish to govern us.

    4. This one is also from the Declaration, and I shall use it to back up my previous statement. “That these united Colonies are, and of Right ought to be Free and Independent States, that they are Absolved from all Allegiance to the British Crown, and that all political connection between them and the State of Great Britain, is and ought to be totally dissolved; and that as Free and Independent States, they have full Power to levy War, conclude Peace, contract Alliances, establish Commerce, and to do all other Acts and Things which Independent States may of right do.”
    In short that means Oklahoma is Sovereign and we as a state have the right to form a militia to protect ourselves from what we see to be unjust and unconstitutional Acts and Laws levied on us. If it means fighting our brethren ( which is a completely undesireable act, mind you ) then so be it!

    Now for my closing statement, Give me Liberty or give me Death!, Patrick Henry, from a speech he made to the Virginia Convention.

    Thank you all, and please have a glorious day.

  37. Nathan says:

    I wonder if you all have been unintentionally deceived to be spreading these blatant mis truths or if some of you are doing it on purpose. If you are decent humans your conscience should tell you that you don’t want to slander others. While state militias are undeniably legal, Mr Brogdon had absolutely no intention to campaign on the issue of a state militia. It was an AP reporter that asked Senator Brogdon if he could interview him for a story on tea parties and then, according to Senator Brogdon, brought up the idea of a state militia, and continued to refer to militias with question after question. Brogdon told him several times he had no plans to start or support a militia. And to all of you absurdly speculating about a state militia marching on Washington, get a grip. The jurisdiction of a state militia is only for within the state, so there could not be a scenario where the federal government and the state militia were somehow fighting each other unless the purely hypothetical scenario of ***the Federal Goverment marching on Oklahoma*** for say, legalizing raw milk within the state of Oklahoma against the Feds wishes for example. I mean geeze, Randy campaings on a platform of liberty and you guys think he’s a tryant??! What is wrong you people, Randy doesn’t want to enact more laws, only repeal laws restricting freedom, and he certainly does not think it wise to use violence against those who are opposed to our inalienable rights to life and liberty. Please read Randy’s own response to all this current media histeria and fascination with state militias:

    Recent statements of mine regarding an Oklahoma militia have been misrepresented, taken out of context and are badly misunderstood. I have stated that the formation of and participation in, an Oklahoma militia is legal based on both federal and state law.

    However, remarks I made in historical context were inaccurately reported as my personal opinion. Specifically, historical speculation about the frame of mind of the Founding Fathers as they wrote the Constitution was reported as if it were my deeply held belief. Then these misrepresentations were used to distort my true beliefs, while implying that I have violent intentions.

    So let me set the facts straight about my beliefs on dealing with the federal government, the role of a militia in Oklahoma, and how best to effect change in government.

    Both the First and Second Amendments of the U.S. Constitution protect individual participation in a militia. Membership in such a group is a form of self-expression, so our right to free speech comes into focus. The Second Amendment states, “A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.” Our Founding Fathers were suspicious of big, centralized government. However, nobody can mistake this statement as some sort of right to insurrection.

    The fact is that Oklahoma state law already establishes and provides for, an “unorganized militia” as an officially recognized part of Oklahoma military forces.

    §44-41. Composition of Militia – Classes.
    The Militia of the State of Oklahoma shall be divided into three (3) classes: The National Guard, the Oklahoma State Guard, and the Unorganized Militia.
    23. “State military forces” means the National Guard of the state, as defined in Title 32, United States Code, the organized naval militia of the state, and any other military force organized under the Constitution and laws of the state to include the unorganized militia (the state defense force when not in a status subjecting them to exclusive jurisdiction under Chapter 47 of Title 10, United States Code).

    These statutes are not part of overlooked or arcane law. The legislature has rewritten this section numerous times over decades, most recently in 2007.

    So undeniably, a militia in Oklahoma is not only legal – it already exists as a matter of fact.

    No, Oklahoma does not need to activate the unorganized militia. If we ever do, it certainly won’t be to invade Washington, D.C. In fact, Oklahoma’s unorganized militia is prohibited from operating outside the state.

    I do plan to fight what I consider to be an over-reaching federal government, but I will do it with the Constitutional tools provided by the framers. For years, I have advocated adherence to the 10th Amendment as a weapon against big government.

    As a legislator for much of the last decade I have routinely proposed new law. When enough of my Senate colleagues agree with me laws are changed or enacted, peacefully. Yet, this week, some people seem convinced that I would abandon the democratic process to wage actual war on the federal government which is simply bizarre.

    I was saddened that some in the anti-militia crowd can be as irrational and violent as those they condemn. As this story developed over the week, I received as many as a half-dozen death threats, not only directed at me but at my family as well. One unpleasant person said they would only be satisfied when I am swinging from a tree. Hopefully, the thought was fleeting. The threats were forwarded to the OSBI for investigation.


  38. Michael Trujillo says:

    Justin Neill Roane,

    I stand by my comment. Even the link you provided backs my statement. Oklahoma wasn’t a state, it had no organized government. It wasn’t a part of the Confederate states. It had people living there who fought on both sides of the Civil War. Just because you identify with the ones who fought for the South doesn’t change the fact that Oklahoma itself wasn’t part of the Confederacy.

    And for someone who’s pretty well read (and I have no reason to doubt your statement), I’m surprised that you’d offer up a link to Wikipedia!!!

    At any rate, I wish you well in your endeavors to take America back to the way it was in the 18th Century. Personally, I like riding horses and would love to challenge men who upset me to a dual. I’ll regret seeing my daughter lose the right to vote but, hey, that’s the price we pay to get this country back to the ideals that the Founding Fathers lived by. It’ll be nice, too, to get rid of all these ridiculous drug laws. No drugs were illegal during the formative years of the United States. I want my right to enjoy a good opium den restored.

  39. BBPatriot says:

    Hi all.
    As a Texan I will say just a few things. 1. I hope that My People(Texans) never have to harm any of our fellow unitedstatesmen!!! But if my fellow unitedstatesmen choose to let their rights be taken away and not choose to act to take them back(wether in vain or not) I must say My People will not be harming you. The feds will.

    2. If any State or region of any State choose to secede from this union I support that, as it is HOW THESE UNITED STATES CAME TO BE!!!! The State of Great Britain did not have in their constitustion a section that said its ok for colonies to become their own nations. So if you are against secession……You might want to go back to Britain. Cause all 13 colonies seceded without consent.

    3. If any of These States choose to secede no unitedstateman should be angry or ofended. They have the right to govern themselves.(It would be odd for me to get angry at my sister for choosing to live in her own house and make her own money and be her own person. Or for her to be angry and choose to harm me cuz I wish to live according to my own wishes-as long as I am not harming any one else or their property)

    4. This union has a name The United States. that means we are States(States are nations not states. States with a capital) Our States have their own borders, flags, laws, military forces, cultures, histories. We are not THE STATE of america. At any time a people can choose to go out on their own and instead of saying – well let them go we don’t need them. They won’t make it a day. We will just go in and take them back. We should say. The original 13 colonies did the same and became great. I hope you do the same and become great and I wish you well and will help when you are in need as I would like you to do for me and my people.

    5.For those who say they will come in to a State and take all fed facilities and weapons and blah blah blah. The Fed own NOTHING. They have no money. What money they have and use is OUR MONEY!!! it comes from OUR STATES!!!! Those building that are for FEDRL use do not belong to the FEDs!!! Everything this union has it has bc of the States!!!! NOT THE FEDS

    6. I am Texan I love my land and My People. But I also love all the Sates and Their People!!!!! For all their diversities and cultures and I want them to remain as they are and evolves as Their People see fit for their happiness not the happiness of Texas or the feds, but for themselves. Protect your histories, protect your cultures, protect your peoples, protect your liberties as they surely desappear if one does not keep them in the line of sight.

    7. I wish that the union was for the best, but I fear secession will happen wether we push for it or not. The union can not maitain itself. So when this union fails, all we will have are our States and God save These States from all enemies foreign and federal!!!!!

    “Sec. 1. FREEDOM AND SOVEREIGNTY OF STATE. Texas is a free and independent State, subject only to the Constitution of the United States, and the maintenance of our free institutions and the perpetuity of the Union depend upon the preservation of the right of local self-government, unimpaired to all the States.

    Sec. 2. INHERENT POLITICAL POWER; REPUBLICAN FORM OF GOVERNMENT. All political power is inherent in the people, and all free governments are founded on their authority, and instituted for their benefit. The faith of the people of Texas stands pledged to the preservation of a republican form of government, and, subject to this limitation only, they have at all times the inalienable right to alter, reform or abolish their government in such manner as they may think expedient.

  40. Mark Shenefelt says:

    @BBPatriot, interesting to hear you in effect are good with the historical travesties of South Carolina’s nullification movement and the South’s secession. Those awful events were horrible wounds to the United States, and why anyone would think today the end results were wrong, I can’t fathom. Oh, well, you didn’t mention those events, you just jumped back to the American Revolution. Nice selective history lesson.

    Good luck with your Texas independence dreams. You’ll need more than luck.

  41. OSM says:

    @Mark Shenefelt, BBPatriot doesnt need luck he has Oklahoma on his side. We Oklahomans and Texans may bicker but we bicker because we love each other. When it comes down to it when you mess with Texas you also get Oklahoma, and vice versa.

  42. Captain Slappy says:

    I am assuming the author has never read the Constitution of the Republic, or any Common Law…..ever.

    Oklahoma, slap down the Politicians, the Lawyers, all the crooks.
    Above all, slap down the cowards….too cowardly to run their state, or their own government.

    The good thing, Author?
    Your obviously socialistic opinion matters not at all, and my Republic doesn’t require you to operate. Cowards never fight, but usually do talk. I am curious, exactly where are YOU going to hide when it hits the fan? Surely you are not….stupid….enough to think anyone other than ME will protect your weak-spined rhetoric.

    Gah…..I miss the good old days. It’s a shame we have so many morons, and so little real men.

  43. mr. rightside says:

    in regards to catherine burts comment about the original tea party, and sarah palin, somebody needs a history lesson. the tea party was a stand against unjust and unfair taxes by a mother country we had already disconnected from! you can’t compare that to bleeding hearts terrorizing American ppl for doing something you don’t personally agree with. I’m also sick of liberals tying mcvey to militias. he was kicked out of them for being too extreme. and to Dave McColley, i only hope the federal gov’t underestimates it ppls strength as much as you have. we have a constitutional right to form a militia,and overthrow our gov’t if we are not happy with it. too bad the education system have been dumbing down this info to influence future generations to keep this fact from ever coming to light. we should all be so brave and patriotic as the oklahomans who are seeking their ever precious American rights that, unfortunately, ppl have been taking for granted. that is why we are in this situation to begin with.

  44. writeriswronghere says:

    the writer of this article is a chicken shit and if this countrys’ ppl think like him we will become socialist state led by chairman obama.

    call it treason if you want, but when treason is hapnin at the US Govt level and it’s unchecked and goes agin the masses of ppl and the only way to stop it is to attack it, that will often happen in our world! 2 wrongs don’t make a right? Yeah, well sometimes “fire has to be fought with fire,” too!!! We’ll see . . .

  45. writeriswronghere says:

    where do I sign up Oklahoma!!!???

  46. maggie says:

    good for oklahoma glad to hear we still have some brave men and women to protect our state as does most other states in the union .

  47. Son of Oklahoma says:

    When the s@#$ hits the fan, count on me returning to my native Oklahoma, and bringing all my weapons with me, and using them to keep the freedom of my Oklahoma brothers and sisters. Hell, I’ll even help out the Texans.

    Death is not scary. Living under a totalitarian behemoth – now that is scary.

  48. justin says:

    if one strong man stands with a means and a purpose ten weaker men will follow him. now you think about that and remember how a few fed up colonists took down the british yes with a lot of help from foreign governments but do you think there is not a foreign government whom would aide any serious rebellion in the u.s. theres alot of countries that hate the government and would aide only to watch it fall, from the ashes of war comes progress. we need to find a way to keep our constitution in tact and stop the feds from growing large enough to throw us in the shade

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