On page 38 of theologian Richard J. Mouw’s new book, “Talking with Mormons: An Invitation to Evangelicals” (Wm. B. Eerdmans Publishing Co.), the author recounts a telephone call from an LDS man who, 10 years after his baptism, was questioning whether he was a Christian.
Mouw asked the following questions , quoted from the book:
How many Gods are there, I asked.
Well, there is one Godhead, made up from three divine Persons — Father, Son and Holy Spirit, he responded.
Will you ever become a god like them?
Oh no. I hope I’m becoming more Christ-like, but only the three Persons of Godhood are worthy of worship. More like God — yes. To be a God — no way!
What is the basis for your salvation? Do you earn it by your good works?
No, my good works can’t save me. I’m saved by grace, through the atoning work of Christ on the Cross. My good works — those I perform in gratitude to what He has done for me.
Mouw assured the caller he was a Christian, and he also told the man to remain a Mormon, so long as he can give those answers without reproach to his LDS leaders. That anecdote, delivered in this slim, valuable volume, shows the wisdom of the author. There is nothing untruthful in what that man told Mouw.
There are Latter-day Saints who would chastise the man for choosing to become more like God rather than deciding to be like God. And there are evangelicals who will jump all over the man’s statement that the Godhood is comprised of three divine persons. Mouw offers the rational response — why diminish that man’s beautiful testimony of Christ’s atonement?
Mouw, who has angered some evangelicals, is not an apologist for Mormon doctrines that he disagrees with. the book contains, for example, his strong defense of the Nicene Creed. Mormonism’s rejection of that, and its substitution of three separate personages, two with limited form, comprising a Godhood, is the foundation of claims that Mormons are not Christians. Mouw tosses aside this contention by quoting the 19th century scholar Charles Hodge, a prominent Calvinist. Hodge disagreed fervently with an earlier scholar, Friedrich Schleiermacher, who rejected the Bible as infallible and divine. Nevertheless, and this is the important point, Hodge was convinced that the deceased Schleiermacher, who in his lifetime had admired and adored Christ, was with the Savior. Mouw writes: And then Hodge adds this tribute to Schleiermacher: “Can we doubt that he is singing those praises now? To whomever Christ is God, St. John assures us, Christ is a Savior.”
The idea, from any religion that believes in Christ, that one persons’ faith in Christ’s atonement is invalid due to doctrinal disputes, is noxious. Mouw understands that. He’s a remarkable example of religious tolerance, willing to debate long-disputed doctrinal points with Latter-day Saints but willing to concede spiritual equanimity.
Frankly, “Talking with Mormons” should be required reading for LDS missionaries, both full-time and local.
Moux easily dismisses the LDS-is-a-cult argument by pointing out the wide variety of organizations and media that daily engage in debate over Mormon doctrine, as well as the many efforts by LDS leadership to engage in dialogues, whether with other religions or the media. The book contains an account of evangelical apologist Ravi Zacharias, and Mouw, speaking in the Salt Lake City tabernacle, the result of a 2004 invitation from LDS church leaders.
The author takes the time to find related ground between doctrines, such as a latter-day prophet and latter-day scriptures, that are usually points of dispute. This effort to look toward similarities, rather than easily leap to long-repeated, well-rehearsed attacks, is admirable and should be reciprocated by Latter-day Saints when talking with people of other faith.
On the Joseph Smith question, Mouw compares him to other prophets who have allegedly spoke to God and provided scripture. His example is Mohammed. Also, Mouw invites evangelicals to think about Mormons, and others, not as “‘How do we keep them from taking over the world?’ to one that emerges when we ask ‘What is it about their teachings that speaks to what they understand to be their deepest human needs and yearnings?”
Framing the question in that manner invites shared knowledge and increased empathy, rather than the sour faux triumph of hurling a negative. However, it must be again stressed that Mouw’s advice is as much for Mormons and others as it is for evangelicals.
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The Godhead? God is a Trinity made up of Father, Son and Holy Ghost. The Father of Man in Spirit, the Father of Man in Flesh and the basis of the New Covenant through the Holy Ghost, given to Man at Pentecost. The Godhead is not 3 Divine persons; Jesus’ Divinity is the Rock ie Foundation of the New Covenant. “For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one” 1 Jn 5:7 The Word needs no altering; it’s called the Authorized Bible.
Christ means “Messiah” was not Crucified on a Cross; Jesus Christ was Crucified by being Nailed on a Tree. He carried the Sins of the world who were rejecting Him on His Cross-bar. “Xulon” (Cross Bar) and Stauros (Pole or Tree) are the 2 words used in scripture for this, but Cross has nothing to do with Tree. the Christ referred to in this book is the Solar Christ, Osiris, who will rise out of the Sea on 12/21/2012 through the X formed by the Ecliptic and Milky Way; the Chi-Rho “Crowned Osiris” is part of every Catholic Cathedral on earth for this reason. The Mormon “Zion” corresponds to this date.
St John was not a Saint and Christ was not a Saviour; John was not worthy to untie Jesus’ sandals; his Baptisms merely showed the new way to salvation through the Holy Ghost, given to Man at Pentecost. Jesus is the only Savior. Many other Christs will come and claim this such as “al-Mahdi”, “Buddha”, “Krishna” or the New Age Solar Christ, but be not fooled, none are Jesus Christ.
Better toss that book and get a KJV Bible.
That would fall into the “sour faux triumph of hurling a negative” category.
Mormon doctrine says that the Godhead is made up of three beings: God the Father, Jesus Christ the son, and the Holy Ghost. Belief in the trinity came from the Nicean counsel (300? A.D.). Many New Testament scripture references seem to support the Godhead notion of three beings united in purpose as one, but separate beings. When Christ was on earth and prayed on many occasions, was he praying to himself, or to his actual Father in Heaven? When Christ was baptized and stood in the water, the Father spoke from heaven and said this is my beloved son and the Holy Ghost came down in the form of a dove. Are they not three separate beings? When Stephen the martyr was being stoned to death, a vision was opened to him and he said he saw Christ standing on the right hand of God (the Father). Mormons believe that in the first vision of Joseph Smith, the boy prayed to know which of all Christian religions was right. In answer, he saw God the Father and Jesus Christ (two separate beings) appear and tell him the fullness of the Gospel of Christ would be restored through him) which led him to start his own religion (“The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints”) based on the principles of the New Testament and the Book of Mormon (“Another Testament of Christ”) that was later translated/revealed through him.
Well said.
It never ceases to amaze me that Mormons cannot spell the name of their church.
What do you mean “cannot spell”? Maybe you are the one who is wrong…try doing your own research for a change.
bk,
Even I, an apostate who presumably no longer has the companionship of the Spirit, know how to spell the name of the LDS Church correctly. Brad’s misspelled the name of the LDS Church in, “The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.” There should be a hyphen between “Latter” and “day,” and yes, the “d” in “day” should be in lowercase. You can verify this yourself at:
http://www.mormonnewsroom.org/style-guide
Best wishes,
Zack
“it’s called the Authorized Bible.”
The Authorized Bible uses the term Godhead, not Trinity. In fact, the word “Trinity” is nowhere to be found in the Bible.
Correct, God exists as the Father, Son, Holy Ghost and the Word. Was there a point to this?
1 John 5:7 The Comma Johanneum “… does not appear in the older Greek manuscripts, nor in the oldest Latin Vulgate manuscripts, nor in the passage as quoted by many of the early Church Fathers. The words apparently crept into the Latin text of the New Testament during the Early Middle Ages, ‘[possibly] as one of those medieval glosses but were then written into the text itself by a careless copyist’.” So, it appears that the Mormon belief is actually supported by the earliest Biblical texts.
Wrong Wonderdog, It appears as written in the KJV in the Greek Masoretic Text. Get a Ricker-Berry Interlinear Greek-English New Testament and you won’t look so stupid
thanks for the review – I just ordered the book from Amazon
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“What is it about their teachings that speaks to what they understand to be their deepest human needs and yearnings?” This is a wonderful and beautiful way of working to understand the faith of anyone, regardless of their religious persuasion.
I say working because it requires work to gain some insight into what individuals find fulfilling in their religious pursuits. Speaking from personal experience, it’s much easier to be lazy. It’s easier to devalue the personal beliefs of others and focus on differences, reasoning that they obviously must be wrong in their faith.
However, it is just this kind of work that engenders mutual respect, love, and brotherhood. Isn’t that what most religions aim to promote?
Scott H
What speaks to human beings’, DEEPEST HUMAN NEEDS AND YEARNINGS is very often a disfunctional, psychotic ‘siren’s song’ of raciist and jingoistic fervor that indulges the most ‘primitive’ compulsions and fantasies — you, as well as I, can provide at least ten examples that continue to exist throughout ALL religions.
The ‘convert or kill’, prostylizing zeal that drives ALL religion (I wanted to write almost all, but couldn’t think of an exception) is the engine that empowers this very human need to dominate and control our fellows for their OWN GOOD. If our fellows are resistant enough to our “gospel message” then they clearly prove that they are unworthy of the TRUTH and are functionaries of perdition who deserve the worst — even on an SE blog, WHO is safe from being sent to HELL, almost hourly, by some of its most religeously ardent contributors???
Doug,
“…their deepest human needs and yearnings?”
As your posts reiterate over and over again, our “grizzly bear” history and teachings are often very down-to-earth. When I discovered your taste for violence (Boxing, MMA News blog, and bloody, illustrated story in Standard’s sports section), seriousy considering you as wanting to become God like, Like God, Christ-like, Christian-like, or any other peaceful-like Being, was indefinately put on hold.
First coming on-line, I was actually concerned that a mentioned drowning on your watch, might have been so traumatic as to be causing you a lifetime of guilt; what drives a bloodthirst vs “empathy”?
Faux pas, OFFENSIVE, “hurling a negative,” MMA action is just that — mixed-up. True martial arts is DEFENSIVE. It’s about harmony and flow — a true religion.
When revengeful bloodthirst and power are our “deepest human needs and yearnings” (how can we forget 9-11-57?), then maybe peace lovers and evangelicals have cause to be asking that other tough question: other than unconditional love, “how do we keep them from taking over the World?”
I don’t expect you to dignify this with an answer, and the coward in me prevents a more direct approach, and my more revengeful side… to try and rub your nose in it — like a fist to the nose in boxing and MMA action.
Myth Believer, you need to get over your unhealthy hate of certain sports, or at least have the courtesy to attempt to spread it on the MMA/Boxing blog. You are very unserious and conspiratorial. I have a great deal of respect for my friends, men and women, in the gyms and otherwise associated with these sports, and find your disdain and comments quite offensive.
I’m not so sure what you find so offensive about anyone concerned for the deterioration of our society to the point of calling animals in a cage trying to kill each other a sport and then in the same breath pretending to care at all about anything Christian.
I have been a teacher now for the last twenty-two years and I have always been troubled at some of the students’ fascination for violence and bullying. Parents, teachers, religious leaders, and other responsible adults have invested so much of their lives trying to show students how wonderful life can be without having to revert to violence. I don’t tune in to any of these fighting stations or know of their groups and organizations, but I suppose as the availability of it grips our youth and more of our impressionable students are exposed to it I’ll be finding out more. Drugs, gang influences, low self esteem, bullying, pornography, and now this. I’m not sure what the percentage likelihood is for an aspiring kid to become a professional athlete in a real sport are, but I guess the odds will go up significantly now for those wanting to jump into a cage with another individual who has something to prove to someone. It makes me a little sick to see the big show brought to town and to have the family invited to celebrate! Legislation may be necessary when dollar signs haze what is so clearly damaging to our youth-but then again, it sadly doesn’t always work that way.
Doug, I’m very “serious”, also fearful, of the repressed fear, hate and aggression of the crowds, that is being touted (what I now come to find out is global) as sports, and how religions, especially ours, are gearing up for a new global onslaught over fast depleting, natural resources… OIL comes to mind.
I was only a junior in high school at the time, but can still remember vividly that beautiful crisp morn — after a night of listening to very spirited, as in booze, and raucous storytelling — deer hunting with the old timers in pristine White Pine Basin. The day before, I missed my initiation into manhood when I hestitated, and my year-older cousin got the four point that had been driven from the pines. This day, things would be different; I see a gray blur tearing across the opening; the safety is purposely left off this time, I point the gun and squeeze, a deafening recoil, and then to my astonishment a deer goes head-over-heels. Running up, I hear a terrible rasping sound, and to my dismay find no huge rack, just a wet doe gasping and gurgling for breath. The look in her eye I will never forget; a look of fear, and what did I ever do to you; a look of what about my baby?
That was the last time I ever put my hands on a weapon.
We all heard as kids that martial arts experts had to register their hands as lethal weapons. Also, their was something called a “tigerclaw?” that if used, could ram the nose into the brain causing instant death. Well… on Fox 13 not to long ago, I couldn’t believe what I was witnessing during regular viewing hours. It was two hours of something called a UFC MMA title match. The wrestling moves were no problem, but then out of the blue, one is sitting on top of the other, and with no boxing gloves to cusion the blows, flailing and beating on a now defenseless opponent. THERE, for the first time in so many years, I see that LOOK again — THE LOOK of FEAR AND OF DYING.
Trophy Hunting to become a man didn’t cut it; neither does watching MMA action. “Spread it on the MMA/Boxing blog,” NO WAY, the crowds might hunt me down — fear and “disdain” can easily turn into religious fervor.
Too bad Doug couldn’t have saved that drowning victim; he would have seen that same LOOK and felt, what can be, UNIVERSAL EMPATHY!
Myth Believer,
Doug is right. It is a legal sport. If you don’t like it, don’t watch, or introduce a bill to ban it. Spouting your junior high story about the “morn” when you began spotting and you realized that you are not a man is simply a personal opinion. It’s your choice to not like it, it’s the fighter’s choice to fight, it’s Doug’s choice to cover it. But cowardly using the religious guilt trip to “shame” Dougie into agreeing with you is so sick and mormony…”so fear and disdain can turn into religious fervor”?, you said it.
Thanks for your kind comments. You might enjoy this little parable written by non-Mormon Stephen H. Webb, Mormons Obsessed with Christ:
Non-Mormons, of course, do not believe that Jesus visited the Americas, but why should they be troubled if Mormons tell stories about Jesus that seem far-fetched? Imagine the following scenario. Your family gathers at the funeral of your dearly beloved grandfather, a world traveler. Your relatives begin telling the familiar stories about his great adventures. Soon, however, you notice another group of mourners at the other end of the room. As you eavesdrop on them, you realize they are talking about your grandfather as if they knew him well, yet you have never heard some of the stories they are telling. These new stories are not insulting to his memory, though some ring more true than others. Indeed, this group seems to have as high an opinion of your grandfather as you do. What do you do?
Do you invite them over to meet your family? That is a tough call. Many of your relatives will dispute the credibility of these stories, and some might make a scene. Others who think the stories are true will feel left out—why didn’t Grandfather tell us? The funny thing is, though, that this other group knows all of the stories your family likes to tell about the deceased, and the stories they add to the mix sound more like mythic embellishments of his character than outright lies. Clearly, the two groups have a lot to talk about!
However you decide to handle the situation, there is no need for you to change your love for your grandfather. There is also no need for you to react to this other group’s love for your grandfather as if they are intentionally threatening or dishonest. Whether or not you decide to expand your family to include this group, you can still welcome them as promoters of your grandfather’s memory. And the more you love your grandfather, the more you will be drawn to discover for yourself whether these new stories make any sense.
Nice try..how about adding the fact that this other group states that my stories are false, and that only their stories are the true ones. It’s no as simple as you make it out to be.
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WELL IM NOT DECEIVED FOR ONE SECOND . YOU DONT HYBRID GODS WORD WITH NOTHING NO CREEDS NO DOGMAS OF MAN OUCH I BET THAT HERD AND NO RELIGION THAT THINKS GOD LIVES ON A PLANET CALLED COLOB . EACH PROPHET IN THE BIBLE IT WAS WRITTEN OF THEM BEFORE THEY CAME ON THE STAGE . NOTHING ABOUT JOSEPH SMITH OR SOME ANGEL WHO IS NEVER MENTIOND IN THE BIBLE GET REAL MATE . ITS THE PURE UN LEVEND BREAD PAULS VINDICATED GHOSPEL THATS GOD WILL JUSDGE THE WORLD BY THE HE VINDICATED AND BACKED UP OR NOTHING . PEOPLE ARE DECIVED SO EASILY ITS NOT FUNNY. THEY ARE DECEIVED BY THEIR HUMAN REASON THINKING THAT’S GOD TALKING TO THEM . MAN REASON IS THE VOICE OF THE DEVIL WHEN IT COMES TO SPIRITUAL MATTERS . THE WORD OF GOD IS REVEALED BY THE SPIRIT OF GOD TO A PERSON . LIKE WHEN JESUS SAID TO PETER WHOM DO MEN SAID I AM WHEN PETER SAID THE SON OF GOD JESUS SAID FLESH AND BLOOD DID NOT REVEAL THIS TO YOU PETER NOT YOUR BRAIN POWER FLESH AND BLOOD IT WAS A DIVINE REVELATION THAT’S THE WAY OF THE KNOWLEDGE OF THE TREE OF LIFE .
GCROBMD FRIEND THAT’S A PRIME EXAMPLE OF HUMAN REASON . NOT A SHRED OF HOLY SPIRIT REVELATION ANY WERE . THE HOLY SPIRIT IS GOD AND GOD IS THE WORD . IF A MAN CLAIMS TO BE A CHRISTIAN PRAY TELL HOW THE SPIRIT OF GOD WHO IS THE WORD COULD LEAD OUR SHOW YOU ANYTHING BUT THE WORD . JESUS SAID WHEN HE THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH COMES HE WILL LEAD AND GUIDE YOU INTO ALL TRUTH HE WILL TAKE OF ME WHO IS THE WORD AND MAKE IT KNOWN UNTO YOU . HOPE THIS HELPS PEOPLE THAT’S MY HEART ANYWAY .
AS A CHRISTIAN I AGREE THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS 3 GODS THE TRINITY ITS A ROMAN CATHOLIC HEATHEN DOCTRINE . THERE IS ONE GOD MANIFESTED IN 3 DIFFRENT OFFICES FATHER SON AND HOLY GHOST . FAHTER THE OLD TESTIMENT MANIFESTATION GOD IN THE PILLER OF FIRE , GOD IN THE OFFICE OF SONSHIP THATS GOD IN HIS ONLY BEGOTTON SON JESUS CHRIST WHO HAD THE SPIRIT WITH OUT MEASURE , GOD THE HOLY SPIRIT IS GOD IN SONS AND DOUGHTERS GET IT NOT THREE GODS ONE GOD THE LORD JESUS CHRIST . MAN CHRIST GOD THATS THE ORDER OF THINGS .JESUS THE MAN WAS MADE BOTH LORD AND CHRIST A TITAL NO OTHER MAN WILL EVER HAVE GOD GAVE HIM THAT TITAL AND CONFERD WORSHIP APON HIM FOR WHAT HE DID AND HIS OBEDIENCE TO HIS FATHER . IN ALL REALITY ITS GOD IN HIS FAMILY . GODS JUST DOING HIS ORIGIONAL PLAN SATIN JUST CAUSED AN INTO RUPTION IN EADEN . SO WE WOULD NEED SAVING OR WE COULD NOT KNOW GOD AS SAVIOUR , IF NO BODY WAS LOST HE COULD NOT EXPRESS HIM GREAT ATRIBUTE AS SAVIOR OR NO BODY SICK HOW COULD GOD BE A HEALER BE NOTHING NEEDED HEALING . I RANIOUS SAID THAT IN THE FIRST OR SECOND CENTURY BEFORE THE CHURCH ORGANISED UNDER THE FALSE PROPHET OF THE POPE IN ROME .REALLY THIS TRINITY IS IDOLOTRY WERE IT ALL GOD OUT OF CATER AND JESUS SAID DON’T WORRY FATHER ILL GO DOWN AND FIX IT , WHATS FABLES AND FAIRY TALES AND NO SUCH THING . GOD IS SOVEREIGN ALMIGHTY NOTHING HAPPENS WITH OUT HIM KNOWING IS IN TOTAL CONTRL AND NOTHINGS OUT OF CATER ALL IS UNRAVELLING ACCORDINGT TO HIS GEART WORD AS ALWAYS . THEY SAY SATIN KILLED GOD HOGWASH IF SATIN CAN KILL GOD ONCE WHATS TO STOP HIM A SECOND TIME . THAT WAS JESUS THE SON OF GOD GOD LEFT THE BONY IN GETSEMENI OR THEY COULD NOT KILL IT , THEY TRY BEFORE HE JUST DISSAPRED FROM THEIR MIDST GOD IN HIM . JESUS TOOK THE BODY THAT HE SHARES WITH GOD TO THE CROSS FOR THE FATHER . THE FATHER FELT IT ALL HE HAS A CONNECTION TO THAT BODY ITS HIS OWN BODY . IN THE OLD TESTAMENT AS A PILLER OF FIRE HE COULD NOT FEEL PHYSICAL PAIN A SPIRIT CAN FEEL NO PAIN IT TAKES A BODY . SO JUST A FEW THINGS TO CHEW ON . SORRRY FOR THE GRAMMER AND SPELLING I FIGURED OUT HOW TO READ READING THE BIBLE YOU MIGHT BE ABEK TO TELL . THE LORD BLESS YOU ON YOUR CHRISTIAN JOURNEY .
IN ACTS CHAP NINE I THINK VERSE FIVE THE APOSTLE PAUL SAW THE PILLAR OF FIRE BEING A JEW HE KNOW WHO THAT WAS HE SAID WHO ART THOU LORD HE SAID IM JESUS WHOM YOU PERSECUTE . PAUL SAW THE ONE WHO WAS IN CHRIST RECONCILING THE WORLD UNTO HIM SELF NOW LEFT THE BODY THE 2ND ADAM WAS BACK IN HIS ORIGINAL FORM . HES SAID TO PAUL I AM JESUS . REMEMBER JESUS SAID I COME IN MY FATHERS NAME . PRAISE THE LORD . I LOVE THE TRUTH THE WORD ITS JUST PERFECT . CHEEK OUT THIS GREAT CHRISTIAN PROPHET ON GOOGLE WILLIAM MARION BRAN HAM IT WILL ASTOUND YOU THE VIDEOS AND THE PICTURES .THEY A BLINDED TODAY BY THEIR DENOMINATIONAL CREEDS AND DOGMAS BLINDS THEM FROM GODS TRUTH HIS WORD . REMEMBER THE WORD OF THE LORD COMES TO THE PROPHET NOT THE THEOLOGIAN . GENTILES WHY DO YOU THINK YOU DONT BREAK INTO THE JEWS FOR SALVATION BECOUSE GOD DEALS WITH ISRAIL AS A NATION GE CANT DO THAT WITH GENTILES WERE HUNDREDS OF NATIONS AND YOU WILL NEVER SELL A JEW THE TRINITY HE KNOWS BETTER HERE O ISRAIL THE LORD THEY GOD IS ONE GOD THOU SHALT HAVE NO OTHER GODS BEFORE ME . NO GOD THE SON NO GOD THE HOLY SPIRIT THERE IS ONE GOD GOD IS THE HOLY SPIRIT HE IS SPIRIT JESUS SAID SO OR JESUS HAD TWO FATHERS BECAOUSE THE HOLY SPIRIT OVER SHADOWED MARY NOT THE FATHER GOING BY THE HEATHEN TRINITARIANS . JESUS SAID GOD WAS HIS FATHER MAKING THE HOLY SPIRIT AND GOD THE SELF SAME BEING .AND THE SON THE ONLY BEGOTTON BEGOTTON HE HAD A BEGINNING READ PSALM 18 . SONS HAVE BEGINNINGS THEY ARE BEGOTTON ONES . GOD SLYLY PULLED THE WOOL OVER THE DEVILS EYES HE KEPT BACK A SEED A SON SINLESS SEE . HE PROMISED THE SERPENT THE SEED COMMING WOULD CRUSH HIS HEAD . BY THE WAY THE SERPENT WAS THE CLOSED THING TO A MAN COULD REASON TALK GOD CURSED IT CHANGED ITS FORM SCIENCE WILL NEVER FIND THE MISSING LING BECOUSE GOD IN GENESIS HID IT FROM THE WISE OF THIS WORLD BY CHSNGING ITS FORM IN EADEN APON YOUR BELLY YOU WILL GO .AND EVREYTHING COME OF ITS FORM WAS CHANGED .SNAKES DONT TALK .
THE HYPOCRITES WERE LIKE THE SANHEDRIN ETC OH OUTWARDLY THE MAN YOU COULD NOT PUT ONE FINGER ON THEIR LIVES THEY TO BE TO BE PRIESTS . OH WE LOVE YOU GOD WE LOVE YOU . THEN GOD INTERPRETED HIS OWN WORD BY BRINGING IT TO PASS HE HAS ALWAYS DONE THAT . GOD SAID LET THEIR BE LIGHT , NOW YOU AN ME MY FRIEND COULD FORM DENOMONATIONS AROUND THAT WORD OF GOD LET THEIR BE LIGHT . BUT THEN IT SAYS THERE WAS LIGHT SEE COULD INTERPRETS HIS OWN WORD BY BRINGING IT TO PASS . SO ITS ALWAYS BEEN THATS HEB 13V8 BY THE WAY . SO IT IS TO DAY IT DOES NOT MATTER WHAT I SAU WHAT THE DENOMONATION SAYS DENOMONATIONS NOT THE PEOPLE THE SYESTEM IS THE SAME AS IN JESUS DAY DENOMONATIONAL SPIRITS ANTICHRIST ANTI THE WORD WHO IS CHRIST . THEY TALK ABOUT HIM PAST FUTURE BUT WHEN GOID BRINGS HIS PROPHET OR LIKE WITH JESUS ON TO THE STAGE BRINGING HIS WORD TO PASS HIMSELF GOD ALWAYS DONE IT THEY HATE IT , THEY CANT TAKE IT THE DENOMONATIONS IN JESUS DAY CRUCIFIED THE WORD MADE FLESH ON THE CROSS . JUST AFTER THEY DID IT THEY WERE IN THEIR CHURCHES OF THE TIME WE LOVE GOD PRAISE YOU MIGHTY JEHOVAH BLIND AS BATS . THEY ARE BLINDED BY ORGANIZATIONS OF CREEDS AND DOGMAS THAT ARE DEAD DEAD DEAD . GODS WORD MIX WITH NOTHING YOU DON’T ADD TO IT WITH YOUR CREEDS YOU LEAVE IT ALONE . PETER SAID FRIENDS THE WORD OF GOD IS WITH OUT PRIVATE INTERPRETATION . BECAUSE GOD INTERPRETS IT BY BRINGING THE WORD TO PASS . THAT IS SO SIMPLE BUT SO WONDERFUL . love is corrective and corinthians says love always tell the truth . you do not understand the bible like a math book , you can not nut it out , we are not that smart . our job is to beleave gods word all of it and god will interpret it by bringing it to pass not you me or man . then god will reveal his word to you by holy spirit revelation not intellectual reason its by faith .faith not reason the holy spirit takes the written word reveals it to you what it means the word ill prove it . paul never saw the deciples god took him to the wilderness get all the rubbish out of his mind paul called it doung hes degrees so forth all doung comapred to the exellency of the knowledge of god .church you dod it interpret the word you beleave it . paul said to the corinthians what came the word out from you or came it unto you only . god forgive me but the church is full of spiritual idiots deceived like eve by the serpent i mean the carnal church. the word of god comes to the church vindicated via god through his holy prophets . paul was just one of those holy apostles and prophets vindicated with the same pillar of fire Moses had . read it in acts chap three the light shone round about him . Paul refers to the pillar of fire at other times and others also saw it .the church needs to sit down shut up and died to their own thinking and get back to the word pauls gospel god will judge the world by my gospel . not your demonic creeds or dogmas they are death .in Edan satin changed the word fed it to the church eve she took his creed and dogmas over gods word . just like organized religions does .rev chap 17 called Rome the mother of harlots how did she become a mother she had harlot daughters the protestants who like mommy Rome play the harlot on gods word his seed . claim to be Jesus bride shes pregnant with a creed not gods word . that false vine organized religion will bring forth soon the antichrist a pope whom satin will incarnate so blind and deceived they will think he is Christ . because in rev chap 3 Christ the word is outside the ladiocean church they put Jesus the word out . so what spirit is that in them organizations then that wants to deny gods word .borne again i am of the incorruptible word seed of god peter said what about you friend DON’T FORGET LOVE TELLS THE TRUTH ALWAYS THE BIBLE SAYS .THE BRIDE IS JOINED TO JESUS NOT A DENOMINATION THEY ARE ONE FLESH TOGETHER HE IS THE WORD HIS BRIDE IS ALSO THE WORD ONLY .MY LOYALTY IS TO JESUS CHRIST AND HIS WORD NOT SOME MAN MADE LODGE . IM A CHRISTIAN NOT A BAPTIST , catholic CHURCH PENTECOSTAL PRESBYTERIAN IM A CHRISTIAN THEM NAMES MEAN NOTHING NOTHING TO GOD .THESE DENOMINATIONAL NAMES ARE THE NAMES OF BLASPHEMY SPOKEN OF IN THE BOOK OF REVELATION . THERE IS ONLY ONE NAME UNDER HEAVEN WE ARE SAVED THAT’S JESUS CHRIST . WESLEY THE GREAT SERVANT OF GOD NEVER STARTED STARTED THE WESLEY CHURCH THEY ORGANIZED AFTER HE DIED . THE LIFE LEFT IT WENT INTO THE RESTORATION OF THE GIFTS THEY ORGANIZED INTO PENTECOSTAL DENOMINATIONS AFTER ABOUT 20 YEARS THE LIFE WENT OUT AND ONTO THE WORD AS IT ALWAYS DOES . MY SHEEP HEAR MY VOICE JESUS SAID THAT’S HIS WORD NOT YOUR DOGMAS AND CREEDS THAT YOU GOT FROM YOUR MOMMY WERE ALL THE DENOMINATIONS BEGAN IN ROME .THAT’S HISTORY THAT’S THE REFORMATION NOW AT THE END YOUR ALL GOING BACK TO MUMMY ROME CALLED THE WOULD COUNCIL OF CHURCHES IN THE ECUMENICAL MOVE UNDER THE DOCTRINE OF BAA LAM WE ARE ALL ONE WE ALL BE LEAVE IN THE SAME GOD . THAT’S WHAT BAA LAM THOUGHT GOD NEVER FOR GAVE THEM FOR IT EITHER . if the preacher preached the word in these denominations today you all would throw them out . and Pentecost is not a denomination its an experience . thanks this is my last promise but search the scriptures see if its not the truth . i tell you the truth because love does that . i wont lie to you just make you feel good that is not love at all . even Jesus rebuked the disciples many times while on earth .now we all know he was the love of god expressed the word made flesh .
How does a young Mormon boy fill the Aaronic Priesthood, a position filled only by physical sons of Aaron; then he fills the Melchisedek Priesthood, a position from Judah filled by Jesus for eternity; then receive a Patriarchal blessing of genealogy from Ephraim?
Forget the wood submarines from Nimrod or the golden plates; can anyone actually believe this?
To all this raving lunacy going on here, I pose one question. Are polygamists and other fundamentalists who sincerely believe in the Book of Mormon Mormons? The LDS Church says no. But they claim foul when established Christianity denies that they are Christian. The same formula needs to work both ways.
Polygamists themselves do not claim to be “mormons” because it would be mean they are members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (“LDS church”). Most polygamists are “FLDS” which is a very small splinter group vs the 12 million plus LDS “Mormon” church. Try researching your claims.
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I don’t think this is accurate. Secondly, the FLDS is only one specific derivative of Mormonism that practices polygamy, out of many.
What do you mean “cannot spell”? Maybe you are the one who is wrong…try doing your own research for a change.