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	<description>Charles Trentelman is the Wasatch Rambler</description>
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		<title>By: Howard Ratcliffe</title>
		<link>http://blogs.standard.net/blogging-the-rambler/2011/08/24/10-ways-to-trash-the-country/#comment-4055</link>
		<dc:creator>Howard Ratcliffe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Sep 2011 22:25:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another way is to appoint Rabbi Dov Zakheim to the Commission on Wartime Contracting in Iraq and Afghanistan. He could track down the missing $60 Billion in Fraud, Waste and Abuse like he tracked down the missing $2.3 Trillion missing while he was Pentagon Comptroller on 9/11/2001.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another way is to appoint Rabbi Dov Zakheim to the Commission on Wartime Contracting in Iraq and Afghanistan. He could track down the missing $60 Billion in Fraud, Waste and Abuse like he tracked down the missing $2.3 Trillion missing while he was Pentagon Comptroller on 9/11/2001.</p>
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		<title>By: laytonian</title>
		<link>http://blogs.standard.net/blogging-the-rambler/2011/08/24/10-ways-to-trash-the-country/#comment-4046</link>
		<dc:creator>laytonian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Aug 2011 16:28:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We don&#039;t have a spending problem.  We have an INCOME problem, caused by tax cuts while waging war,  unfunded legislation and lost taxes due to two recessions.

In 2000, the CBO projected the US would be out of debt in ten years. 

This is what the national debt is comprised of:

 

$3.6 trillion --  lost tax revenue (economic downturns/tech changes)

$1.7 trillion -- 2001 &amp; 2003 tax cuts

$678 billion -- other new tax cuts

$391 billion -- Obama&#039;s Dec 2010 tax cuts

--------$6.369 trillion TOTAL LOST INCOME (revenue/taxes)

 

$1.3 trillion -- Iraq/Afghanistan

$663 billion -- other defense spending

--------- $1.963 trillion TOTAL (TO DATE) &quot;DEFENSE&quot;, mostly wars 

 

$1.4 trillion -- borrowing costs for new legislation

$700 billion -- fluctuations in borrowing requirements

$1.3 trillion -- other new domestic spending

$719 billion -- 2009 recovery act (stimulus)  

$700 billion -- fluctuations in borrowing requirements

$272 billion -- Medicare Part D

$16 billion -- TARP (2008)

________

$5.107 trillion TOTAL &quot;everything else&quot;

 

Source:
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 http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/from-surplus-to-debt/2011/04/30/AFrYNfNF_graphic.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We don&#8217;t have a spending problem.  We have an INCOME problem, caused by tax cuts while waging war,  unfunded legislation and lost taxes due to two recessions.</p>
<p>In 2000, the CBO projected the US would be out of debt in ten years. </p>
<p>This is what the national debt is comprised of:</p>
<p>$3.6 trillion &#8212;  lost tax revenue (economic downturns/tech changes)</p>
<p>$1.7 trillion &#8212; 2001 &amp; 2003 tax cuts</p>
<p>$678 billion &#8212; other new tax cuts</p>
<p>$391 billion &#8212; Obama&#8217;s Dec 2010 tax cuts</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;$6.369 trillion TOTAL LOST INCOME (revenue/taxes)</p>
<p>$1.3 trillion &#8212; Iraq/Afghanistan</p>
<p>$663 billion &#8212; other defense spending</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212; $1.963 trillion TOTAL (TO DATE) &#8220;DEFENSE&#8221;, mostly wars </p>
<p>$1.4 trillion &#8212; borrowing costs for new legislation</p>
<p>$700 billion &#8212; fluctuations in borrowing requirements</p>
<p>$1.3 trillion &#8212; other new domestic spending</p>
<p>$719 billion &#8212; 2009 recovery act (stimulus)  </p>
<p>$700 billion &#8212; fluctuations in borrowing requirements</p>
<p>$272 billion &#8212; Medicare Part D</p>
<p>$16 billion &#8212; TARP (2008)</p>
<p>________</p>
<p>$5.107 trillion TOTAL &#8220;everything else&#8221;</p>
<p>Source:<br />
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 <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/from-surplus-to-debt/2011/04/30/AFrYNfNF_graphic.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/from-surplus-to-debt/2011/04/30/AFrYNfNF_graphic.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: laytonian</title>
		<link>http://blogs.standard.net/blogging-the-rambler/2011/08/24/10-ways-to-trash-the-country/#comment-4045</link>
		<dc:creator>laytonian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Aug 2011 16:24:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Logically, it makes no sense for the self-proclaimed constitutional experts to support ANY amendment.

Let&#039;s do away with all of them!   You don&#039;t like the 10th?   Fine.   Do away with the 2nd.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Logically, it makes no sense for the self-proclaimed constitutional experts to support ANY amendment.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s do away with all of them!   You don&#8217;t like the 10th?   Fine.   Do away with the 2nd.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen M. Cook</title>
		<link>http://blogs.standard.net/blogging-the-rambler/2011/08/24/10-ways-to-trash-the-country/#comment-4042</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen M. Cook</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Aug 2011 03:59:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I slept late this morning and woke to an iced chai tea, served by what I am sure is a super model.
Looking out the window at the Wasatch Front, I was amazed by the prosperity and technological advances of the last 50 years.

I saw nothing wrong,  certainly nothing worth screaming fire over.  Just the usual semi-sentient ape things going on about this pile of feces,  or that boundary,  or this or that transitory nonsense.
Richest nation in history,  with toys that are like living in the future. And you all complain like you lived in the Dark Ages or something.
Selfish little demons.
Give a monkey a brain and threaten its little nest,  and look at the screaming!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I slept late this morning and woke to an iced chai tea, served by what I am sure is a super model.<br />
Looking out the window at the Wasatch Front, I was amazed by the prosperity and technological advances of the last 50 years.</p>
<p>I saw nothing wrong,  certainly nothing worth screaming fire over.  Just the usual semi-sentient ape things going on about this pile of feces,  or that boundary,  or this or that transitory nonsense.<br />
Richest nation in history,  with toys that are like living in the future. And you all complain like you lived in the Dark Ages or something.<br />
Selfish little demons.<br />
Give a monkey a brain and threaten its little nest,  and look at the screaming!</p>
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		<title>By: Annakin</title>
		<link>http://blogs.standard.net/blogging-the-rambler/2011/08/24/10-ways-to-trash-the-country/#comment-4040</link>
		<dc:creator>Annakin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Aug 2011 00:28:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Again Trentelman has a very warped opion

2. Restore a balance of power between Federal &amp; State Governments.

The feds are out of control

3. Withdraw from the United Nations

Useless organization (accomplishes nothing)

4. Abolish Departments of Education, Labor, Health and Human Services, Housing and Urban Development

Name one thing these organizations have not made worse

5. Eliminate Environmental Protection Agency

All that has been accomplished does not need further regulations. (pollution has been reduced dramatically) Trentelman also believes that corporations want to kill their customers and their employees.    (Including the CEO)

6. Forbid Government Employees higher pay, better benefits or greater rights than comparable employees in the private sector

Yes Government workers (State and Federal) generally do have higher pay than the private sector. You have to include job security, pensions, insurance availability, and any other benefits I can&#039;t think of right now. (Look at the Fight in Wisconsin this year)

7. Term Limits

A good idea but California has term limits and the worst elected officials in the nation

8. Redistricting done by non-governmental/non-political committees.

No such animal will ever be assembled

9. Institute Tort Reform

Yes! Texas did for malpractice and doctors are flocking there because of the reduced insurance costs related to malpractice</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Again Trentelman has a very warped opion</p>
<p>2. Restore a balance of power between Federal &amp; State Governments.</p>
<p>The feds are out of control</p>
<p>3. Withdraw from the United Nations</p>
<p>Useless organization (accomplishes nothing)</p>
<p>4. Abolish Departments of Education, Labor, Health and Human Services, Housing and Urban Development</p>
<p>Name one thing these organizations have not made worse</p>
<p>5. Eliminate Environmental Protection Agency</p>
<p>All that has been accomplished does not need further regulations. (pollution has been reduced dramatically) Trentelman also believes that corporations want to kill their customers and their employees.    (Including the CEO)</p>
<p>6. Forbid Government Employees higher pay, better benefits or greater rights than comparable employees in the private sector</p>
<p>Yes Government workers (State and Federal) generally do have higher pay than the private sector. You have to include job security, pensions, insurance availability, and any other benefits I can&#8217;t think of right now. (Look at the Fight in Wisconsin this year)</p>
<p>7. Term Limits</p>
<p>A good idea but California has term limits and the worst elected officials in the nation</p>
<p>8. Redistricting done by non-governmental/non-political committees.</p>
<p>No such animal will ever be assembled</p>
<p>9. Institute Tort Reform</p>
<p>Yes! Texas did for malpractice and doctors are flocking there because of the reduced insurance costs related to malpractice</p>
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		<title>By: Howard Ratcliffe</title>
		<link>http://blogs.standard.net/blogging-the-rambler/2011/08/24/10-ways-to-trash-the-country/#comment-4039</link>
		<dc:creator>Howard Ratcliffe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Aug 2011 17:39:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hurricane Irene tracking over America&#039;s 1st 5 colonies and 25% of US population, 6 years to the day after Hurricane Katrina hit New Orleans is another way to trash the economy. August 29 is celebrated as the Feast Day of the Beheading of John the Baptist by Herod Antipas.
Katrina is derived from Cathar or Catharsis &quot;Discharge of pent up emotion&quot;. Irene means Peace. 
Last month the bones of Rudolf Hess were dug up and burned; his charge at the Nuremberg trials was &quot;Conspiracy against world peace&quot;. In 1941 he flew to Scotland and tried to warn the world the goal of WWII was a lead in for WWIII.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hurricane Irene tracking over America&#8217;s 1st 5 colonies and 25% of US population, 6 years to the day after Hurricane Katrina hit New Orleans is another way to trash the economy. August 29 is celebrated as the Feast Day of the Beheading of John the Baptist by Herod Antipas.<br />
Katrina is derived from Cathar or Catharsis &#8220;Discharge of pent up emotion&#8221;. Irene means Peace.<br />
Last month the bones of Rudolf Hess were dug up and burned; his charge at the Nuremberg trials was &#8220;Conspiracy against world peace&#8221;. In 1941 he flew to Scotland and tried to warn the world the goal of WWII was a lead in for WWIII.</p>
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		<title>By: ctrentelman</title>
		<link>http://blogs.standard.net/blogging-the-rambler/2011/08/24/10-ways-to-trash-the-country/#comment-4031</link>
		<dc:creator>ctrentelman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Aug 2011 22:56:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>stop the madness?  

you are a dreamer, aren&#039;t you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>stop the madness?  </p>
<p>you are a dreamer, aren&#8217;t you.</p>
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		<title>By: ctrentelman</title>
		<link>http://blogs.standard.net/blogging-the-rambler/2011/08/24/10-ways-to-trash-the-country/#comment-4030</link>
		<dc:creator>ctrentelman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Aug 2011 22:54:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I suppose you could argue that the bill passed by the house wasn&#039;t really the amendment, that it has to go through the senate and then be approved by the states and that&#039;s where the debate can come in, along with consideration of after effects.

Sorry, that doesn&#039;t work for me. That makes the wording of the amendment passed now a take-it or leave-it thing -- if we are going to change the way we have done business in this country for 240 years, we should give a lot of thought and debate to the matter before we settle on the wording, not after.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suppose you could argue that the bill passed by the house wasn&#8217;t really the amendment, that it has to go through the senate and then be approved by the states and that&#8217;s where the debate can come in, along with consideration of after effects.</p>
<p>Sorry, that doesn&#8217;t work for me. That makes the wording of the amendment passed now a take-it or leave-it thing &#8212; if we are going to change the way we have done business in this country for 240 years, we should give a lot of thought and debate to the matter before we settle on the wording, not after.</p>
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		<title>By: ctrentelman</title>
		<link>http://blogs.standard.net/blogging-the-rambler/2011/08/24/10-ways-to-trash-the-country/#comment-4029</link>
		<dc:creator>ctrentelman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Aug 2011 22:39:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>who is demanding a balanced budget amendment NOW?

Geeze Owain, read the paper -- a balanced budget amendment was part of the GOP demands for raising the debt limit -- that cut cap and balance thing. The House did pass one, and it promptly died in the Senate. Sen. Hatch demands one to this day. So does Sen. Lee. So does Sen. Jim DeMint in South Carolina. So do many others.

Do any of these people demand a national discussion and debate? Some reasoned consideration of options and results and potential problems?

I have heard of none. They want it and want it now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>who is demanding a balanced budget amendment NOW?</p>
<p>Geeze Owain, read the paper &#8212; a balanced budget amendment was part of the GOP demands for raising the debt limit &#8212; that cut cap and balance thing. The House did pass one, and it promptly died in the Senate. Sen. Hatch demands one to this day. So does Sen. Lee. So does Sen. Jim DeMint in South Carolina. So do many others.</p>
<p>Do any of these people demand a national discussion and debate? Some reasoned consideration of options and results and potential problems?</p>
<p>I have heard of none. They want it and want it now.</p>
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		<title>By: ctrentelman</title>
		<link>http://blogs.standard.net/blogging-the-rambler/2011/08/24/10-ways-to-trash-the-country/#comment-4028</link>
		<dc:creator>ctrentelman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Aug 2011 22:23:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>this whole flat tax/flat rate idea is interesting if you are rich. If you are poor, not so much.

The idea behind progressive tax rates was that the rich benefit far more from society than the mere tally of dollars in their bank accounts indicates, and so should pay a larger percentage of supporting the nation. 
Flat taxes ignore this, but the disparity is real and should be taken into account to be &quot;fair.&quot;

Simple truth is that &quot;fair&quot; is not simple -- if it were, we would have it. Your flat rates will, very quickly, be turned into massively complex tax codes just like the current ones which are larded with exemptions and credits and god knows what, each and every one approved by congress to be &quot;fair&quot; to some special cause or inresponse to some bribe (campaign donation) or whatever. 

I suppose someone will then say &quot; then make a flat rate/tax a constitutional amendment and that will be that,&quot; But you can&#039;t commit future congresses to present ideas of what is right -- Thomas Paine noted that if governments could do that, the United States would never have existed, and the whole point of having Congress is to make changes and deal with the reality of the moment, not to rubberstamp the past.

Plus, even if it were an amendment, Congress or the administration would find a way. The Constitution demands that Congress declare war, which means our little adventure in Iraq/Afghanistan/Yemen/Libya is unconstitutional, but I don&#039;t see anyone yelling about that. 

And the 4th Amendment? HAH!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this whole flat tax/flat rate idea is interesting if you are rich. If you are poor, not so much.</p>
<p>The idea behind progressive tax rates was that the rich benefit far more from society than the mere tally of dollars in their bank accounts indicates, and so should pay a larger percentage of supporting the nation.<br />
Flat taxes ignore this, but the disparity is real and should be taken into account to be &#8220;fair.&#8221;</p>
<p>Simple truth is that &#8220;fair&#8221; is not simple &#8212; if it were, we would have it. Your flat rates will, very quickly, be turned into massively complex tax codes just like the current ones which are larded with exemptions and credits and god knows what, each and every one approved by congress to be &#8220;fair&#8221; to some special cause or inresponse to some bribe (campaign donation) or whatever. </p>
<p>I suppose someone will then say &#8221; then make a flat rate/tax a constitutional amendment and that will be that,&#8221; But you can&#8217;t commit future congresses to present ideas of what is right &#8212; Thomas Paine noted that if governments could do that, the United States would never have existed, and the whole point of having Congress is to make changes and deal with the reality of the moment, not to rubberstamp the past.</p>
<p>Plus, even if it were an amendment, Congress or the administration would find a way. The Constitution demands that Congress declare war, which means our little adventure in Iraq/Afghanistan/Yemen/Libya is unconstitutional, but I don&#8217;t see anyone yelling about that. </p>
<p>And the 4th Amendment? HAH!</p>
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